Round Robin - From AirBNB to our national treasure, Mike Leach

We're scattershooting today! AirBNB is piloting a new City Portal; CityLab analyzes whether cities defunded the police in FY21; a San Antonio billionaire wants to pay for weekly Covid tests at local schools; and our national treasure, Mississippi State coach Mike Leach.

0:43 - AirBNB pilots a new City Portal
08:06 - Did cities defund the police in FY21?
15:06 - Weekly Covid tests for San Antonio schools
23:18 - More gold from Mike Leach

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0:11 Chad
Hey, everyone. Welcome back to ZacCast. This is Chad Janicek. I'm here with Patrick Lawler. How you doing, Pat?
0:16 Patrick
I'm good, Chad. How are you doing today?
0:17 Chad
Doing all right. It is, uh, a different format for today's episode. We're doing a round robin, so I brought a couple of topics. I think that Patrick, he finally picked some topics this morning, so I haven't really had a great amount of time to look over them, and hopefully I'll have something interesting to say, but ...
0:33 Patrick
I, I will be prepared to talk about my topics by the time we get to them. How about that?
0:37 Chad
Perfect. Okay, so quick round robin. Here we go. Number one, we'll jump right in. If you work for a municipality that has Airbnb hosts or short-term rentals, you probably have been frustrated by a lack of data, by concerns over whether, uh, your hosts are paying the proper, um, you know, hotel taxes, whether they're in compliance, whatever, whatever regulations that you might have. Airbnb last week launched a pilot program called City Portal. They launched it in 15 cities across the world, and their stated goal is to provide cities, municipalities, and tourism agencies with better access to the listings so that they can comply with, you know, local ordinances and laws and things like that. So these cities are provided with a dedicated Airbnb staffer and their very own dashboard where they can see all the hosts. They can see, you know, where they're operating, what properties are being rented, how much revenue is being generated, where guests are coming from, things like that. Um, so in the past, or actually right now, uh, if you want information like this, you have to subscribe to one of these scraping services. So these... There are websites that will scrape listings off of Airbnb and Vrbo and things like that, and then they'll run some statistical estimates about how much revenue is being generated, how, uh, how frequently the, these locations are actually booked, like, what their occupancy rate is. Um, the data is, they're estimates, right? So you kinda have to take them with whatever grain of salt, uh, is necessary. But yeah, with Airbnb actually providing first-class access to the data or first-party access to the data, that could, could change quite a bit.
2:13 Patrick
Uh, you know, look, uh, the big question is, is why is this taking so long? Uh, you know, cities have been fighting with Airbnb over this issue now for quite a long time. The information is really hard to come by. Uh, some cities have sued Airbnb to get some special agreements and arrangements, uh, to get their taxation directly from them. But ultimately, I think it's too slow. I think we need to move faster, and I don't see why we can't open this up to more cities quickly. That's, that's my, my big statement here. Um, I think they're taking a better approach. You know, we, uh, I think, I think they're maybe being a better player than Uber was when Uber came into the market. You know, Uber fought every governmental entity that was out there. Every city got into it with Uber. Um, and, and the reality is is that Airbnb is getting to that point now where cities are realizing just how much revenue they're losing. We have a couple of cities, uh, in the state of Texas that have implemented their own ordinances that, that we know of personally. Fredericksburg, Texas wine country, my wife and I like to go there quite a bit. Uh, they've implemented it. They, I believe they've gotten some cooperation from Airbnb, but it's still like putting together, you know, a thousand-piece puzzle, and College Station has just done the same thing. Uh, I heard one-
3:29 Chad
It's putting like... It's, it's like putting one of those invisible puzzles together.
3:34 Patrick
It is, right? Uh, one city manager described it to me as playing Whac-A-Mole, right? Literally, so if, if you do figure out that somebody's not paying you hotel/motel tax, they just take their listing off, and they rename it as something else with the same pictures, right? So it just, it, it literally is like you hit it, and it pops up somewhere else. Um, and, and this will help that. I just don't understand why it's taken Airbnb so long to do it and why they're only rolling it out to a couple of test cities at this point when it's just addresses. All the cities need are the addresses. They don't need any of the other information, just the addresses. The rest of it, they can figure out on their own.
4:15 Chad
Well, I think that the, some of the information is potentially quite helpful, especially for tourism agencies, like where are guests coming from.
4:23 Patrick
Right.
4:23 Chad
Um, you know, are they, are they local? Are they coming internationally? To take the second part of your comment, why are they rolling it out slowly, I mean, it's a pilot program. You know, you wanna work out kinks before you open it up to every city in the entire world. Uh, so to me that kinda makes sense, you know. Let's start slow, work out any bugs, make sure that we have the proper policies in place to give access to the city specifically because, I mean, you don't want... They don't want the actual addresses just floating around everywhere. That's why they don't provide them until you, until you actually book. Um, but the question of why did it take so long is probably a good question to ask. Um, I think-
4:59 Patrick
Right
4:59 Chad
... you know, m- my guess is that this is ultimately being done because they would like to show a good faith effort that you don't have to over-regulate, uh, or negotiate a separate agreement with them like a lot of cities have, 'cause they have, they have quite a few agreements with cities across the country where Airbnb is the entity that collects hotel taxes and remits to the cities or localities. Um, w- and everywhere else, the, the actual host is responsible for doing that, right? So rather than get in a situation where they have to negotiate these agreements with everyone, they can just kind of automate the process, provide this portal, and let cities do their own work. So I mean, in terms of the best option for them, obviously this is it.
5:41 Patrick
Well-
5:42 Chad
Or this is, like, in the right direction.
5:43 Patrick
Let's, let's not-
5:45 Chad
But yes
5:45 Patrick
... let's not let Airbnb off the hook, right? The reality is is they looked at this, and they tried to take an Uber approach, which was we're just gonna go do what we wanna do, and we'll fight it if we have to fight it, right? So the problem with that is, is with Uber, you were dealing with regulation, not necessarily taxationYou're dealing with regulation that was written because of special interest of, say, like, cabbie unions and Yellow Cab and, and that type of stuff, right? With Airbnb, you're talking about actual required taxation by law in the state of Texas, okay? They were trying to dodge taxation and they were allowing their host to dodge taxation just by putting a statement on a website that says, "Don't forget, you may have local taxes." I'm sorry. I believe the attorney general of Texas should have sued Airbnb. I think there should be money that goes back to these localities. We should not let them off the hook. And I think this is Airbnb's way of understanding they're gonna get caught, so they might as well try to get ahead of it. My two cents.
6:52 Chad
So obviously it's, there's a difference in scale, but let's say that you had an application that allowed you to, to host garage sales on a very regular basis.
7:03 Patrick
Mm-hmm.
7:03 Chad
Right? So if you host enough garage sales in Texas, you have to collect sales tax on your proceeds.
7:09 Patrick
Mm-hmm.
7:10 Chad
So would we be in the same situation? Like, obviously it's not gonna be the same scale, but in principle, would you have the same objections?
7:18 Patrick
It's different because the actual purchase is not taking place on the website, right? The purchase is taking place... This is... It's the same argument with Amazon, right? Amazon didn't wanna collect sales taxes for a long time, but the reality is that the purchase was being done through Amazon, okay? When you have a garage sale, you're just listing a garage sale on a website. People are coming and paying you cash at the location. There's no control mechanism for Airbnb or for Amazon at that point. So the difference here is, is that Airbnb knew that their hosts were avoiding it. They were complicit in the illegal act. That was a very technical term for me. It's too early in the morning-
7:58 Chad
Complicit
7:58 Patrick
... for terms like complicit.
8:01 Chad
You have low standards, my friend.
8:02 Patrick
I've got very low standards.
8:04 Chad
Okay. Item number two, defunding the police. So we wrote about, uh, the particular case of the city of Austin in our August newsletter. If you are interested, you can go take a look at that. I'll link to it in the show notes. Um, but the city of Austin actually proposed substantial cuts on paper to their police department, and this invited some backlash with the governor's office, which have you even heard any follow-up on that, Patrick?
8:30 Patrick
No, I mean, it's, it's... Look, at the end of the day, it's, it's politics in Texas, right? It, it was an excellent campaign platform, and Abbott did what Abbott has always done, and he's taken that platform and stood on it, and he's doing a pretty good job with it. But no, there's been no follow-up to this. And frankly, our legislative session's gonna be so short, I don't think you're gonna see much come out of it anyways.
8:51 Chad
Okay. So brief recap on what happened. The city of Austin proposed, like, a 30% cut to their police department. Some of those were reducing future fire or police academies and things like that for the upcoming year that were already planned. Um, a- about 17 percentage points of the cut, l- I don't know, 17 percentage points of 30, uh, so a little over half, was reallocating operations outside of the police department. So moving dispatch, uh, moving internal investigations and things like that, a- and a handful of other services that the police department was providing. Still doing those things, but not in the police department. So it's a net reduction to the police budget, but not to the operations. And then about a third of those cuts were legitimate cuts to, uh, you know, we're not gonna be doing these particular services anymore. We're gonna reallocate that money to a different social service. And so the governor came out and said that any... He's gonna propose a plan where any city who defunds the police is going to have their property taxes capped. So it's- So there's all kinds of local control issues and things like that that we talked about in our newsletter. Um, you know, not evaluating on the merits the actual cuts that the city of Austin made because that's, that's their decision to make, right? They get to live with the ramifications of it. But, uh, CityLab looked at 34 of the top 50 largest cities across the country, uh, looked at their FY21 budgets, which in most cases, uh, have just recently now been approved, and kind of evaluated how they handled their police funding, because obviously with, with the COVID, uh, the e- economic impacts of COVID, uh, strapping cities across the country and with the, the protests and the discussions of policing, uh, you know, if a city was ever going to take advantage of an opportunity to reevaluate their police budget, this is going to be one of the best that they'll have. So CityLab kind of looked at what are cities actually doing? And again, they looked at 34 of the top 50 cities. They found that 14 had net decreases in their police budgets. Obviously, Austin led the way with their 30% reduction. Uh, you had New York City, you had Vegas, Arlington, Virginia, Portland, DC, et cetera. You can... We'll link to the article in the show notes so you can look at the full list. Um, Tulsa was pretty much flat, so it was, uh, it may have actually been 13. There were two cities that had a net reduction in police while their general budgets increased, and those were Boston and LA. But one thing I found interesting was that there were actually nine cities on this group that had, uh, increases in their police department budgets, but a net decrease in their general budget as a whole. Uh, cities like Atlanta, Memphis, Houston, Charlotte, Raleigh, Albuquerque, uh, and Oakland, just as a few examples. They re- they increased their police budgets this year, but reduced general fund as a whole. Uh, I, I just kind of found that interesting that, you know, it's, it's not uncommon. We're-- I did budget for over a decade. You know, you've worked in city management. It's not uncommon during economic, economically difficult times to see the general fund budget contract, but the police and fire budgets either stay flat or, or grow.
11:58 Patrick
The bigger cities-
11:58 Chad
Or certainly contract at a lower rate. But yeah, the, the big reason is-
12:02 Patrick
Yeah
12:02 Chad
... a lot of these bigger cities in particular have, uh, they have union agreements or collective bargaining where a lot of these things are alreadyDecided they don't have a whole lot of discretion while these agreements are in place. They can't address them until they start to renegotiate
12:18 Patrick
Yeah. I mean, you know, look, I, I, I think the national trend of what people think is happening with defunding police departments is not correct. Like, that's what this Bloomberg article at least comes out in the small sample size that they've got. You know, like, there's 20 cities on this list that are increasing police funding. Some of those cities obviously are increasing police funding while their general fund budgets are decreasing. Um, there have, there have been quite a few, um... Yeah, the, the defund the police argument at the local level really hasn't been a blue and red issue. You've got a lot of large cities like Houston who came out really early and said, uh, you know, "We're gonna push to make sure that police funding stays strong." Uh, all that being said, it is interesting that Austin leads on this list, right? A 32-plus percent decrease is significant even with the reallocations. Uh, but this is a good article. It's gonna be in the show notes. I think you ought to take a look at this. Um, and, and the reality is any city manager will admit quietly behind the scenes that in periods of economic retraction, you do look at public safety for the opportunity to make reductions because it's very difficult to ever make reductions in public safety because it's, it's difficult to do that politically. It's, it's hard for your council members to do that. Um, it's unfortunate that a lot of these conversations are being had within the kind of the national narrative, um, and, and not really a professional conversation is being had within the city management and budget departments and, and with their police chiefs and department directors. So I think everybody would admit there's probably room to make changes, you know, but it's, it's an interesting article.
14:02 Chad
So one, one more point about the article. They mentioned that since 1977, in inflation-adjusted dollars, police funding has nearly tripled, which is kinda crazy when you consider that the annual number of violent crimes has only gone up by about 20% and population has gone up by about 50% in that time. But I think that if you were to ask most city managers, and probably most police chiefs sort of off the record, they would agree that at the very least, there is probably some reallocation of priorities within police departments that could benefit their communities as a whole. Um, but yes, some of the nuance kinda gets lost, like you said, in the national narrative, um, about whether, you know, back the blue or defund the police. Like, there are these, these polar opposites, uh, from the political narrative that don't have a- as much connection to the reality on the ground. And if we, if we could have a little bit more nuanced and sensible conversations, I think we could probably reach, uh, some more common ground on those topics. Okay. Number three, your first one. Let's go.
15:07 Patrick
All right. Here we go. So my first story, given to Chad about 45 minutes ago.
15:12 Chad
A little bit longer because this is actually take two. I forgot to hit record. So
15:16 Patrick
The first one. That, that is right, yeah. So, uh, San Antonio billionaire wants to test every student in the city for COVID-19. Uh, not in the city of San Antonio yet. Uh, they're gonna do a pilot program. But, uh, Graham Weston, who is the CEO-
15:30 Chad
Well, why aren't they just doing the whole thing? Just do the whole-
15:32 Patrick
Well, we're gonna, we're, we're, we're gonna get to that. Graham Weston, who is-
15:36 Chad
Oh, so now, now you're okay with pilot programs, though?
15:38 Patrick
Oh, my gracious. Here we go. Now I'm okay with a pilot program. He is the CEO, uh, or the former, uh, CEO of Rackspace Technology, uh, which if anybody knows what Rackspace is, it's basically like a server management company, right? Um, so he is looking at doing and piloting through his nonprofit called Community Labs, um, a mass testing at Somerset Independent School District. Um, they are starting this, or they actually started it this w- uh, last Wednesday. Uh, and so he hopes to expand the facility, uh, to test every student in San Antonio ISD in the coming months. So, uh, basically what they're doing is they're doing PCR tests, uh, which, which are considered the gold standard test for COVID, and this is their ability to get kids back in school and to keep the economic engine of education going. Very important that people understand that education is, is important, not because they're babysitters, but because it slows our economy when kids don't go to school, right? It also hurts us from an educational standpoint. Lots of different issues, and he's doing this. I thought this article was interesting because I sit on, uh, like the COVID task force in Parker County, and we have already done something similar. Now, he's doing mass testing, which means they're testing these kids, um, every student and every staffer every week is, or once a week is what they're doing. But what happened in Parker County is an interesting story. It's a little outside of this. We actually are-- The hospital district in Parker County, um, they purchased a quick test, PCR swab quick test. They're 15-minute tests, so they are the gold standard test, but they come back in 15 minutes rather than two days or a day. And they have put those in every public school in Parker County. In the nurse's office, they put these things called MedPods in there, so they can test in every school in Parker County for strep, flu, or COVID that occurs. Now, the reason that's important is because our kids have been in school now, we're on week seven in Parker County for all of our kids being back in school, and we have not closed a campus in Parker County. And I personally believe the main reason for that is, is because when a kid tests or gets sick and they go to the nurse's office, we're not waiting two or three days to quarantine all of the close contacts for that kid. We know within 15 minutes, and all those close contacts are then sent homeRight? So we've done a really good job of protecting it. We've had a couple of outbreaks of, like, two or three cases in individual campuses and schools, um, but it's been a very controlled environment. Whereas if you look at Tarrant County, which is the more populous county adjacent to us, they do not have this system of testing set up, and they are seeing large swaths of students in schools that have come back, you know, 20 to 30 positives at a time, hundreds of kids on quarantine, and we just haven't seen that in Parker County, and most of the folks here locally in Parker County attest that to the quick tests that have been placed in schools. So I, I think ultimately we have to ask ourself the question as Americans, if we know how to deal with COVID from a testing standpoint, and we know how to keep people away from other people to spread COVID, why as Americans have we not done that yet? W- why has our in- ingenuity not stepped up to make sure that that is done, right? Big question. What are your thoughts?
19:12 Chad
Uh, one question, are the kids wearing masks in class?
19:15 Patrick
Yes, required.
19:16 Chad
Okay. So, uh-
19:18 Patrick
Yeah
19:18 Chad
... just for a sense of scale, a quick Google search showed that Somerset ISD has 4,156 students. So at $35 a test, that's about $150,000 a week just to test the students, not alone- n- let alone the staffers. Um, so I mean, you're talking about several million dollars a year for these weekly tests. But look, I'm a fan of private action, so I don't have a problem if, uh, someone who can afford it wants to step up and, and try to help these kids get back into school. I think that, um, I mean, I've taken online courses before. It was kind of a new thing when we were in college. I'm sure you have, too. When you're in college and you're kinda motivated to, uh, to get your degree so that you can, you know, get out into your career, it's, uh, it's one thing to be able to focus on an online course and deal with the difficulties of online learning versus in-class learning. Um, my five-year-old has been doing museum school this year. He starts kindergarten next year, so this year, you know, he's still in, in, uh, pre-K, whatever, uh, but we've been taking him to museum school, but the first four weeks have been remote. So he's got, like, a 45-minute Zoom session with, like, seven or eight other kids, and it's a disaster. Like, he's learning stuff- ... but it is just difficult to get it, all of them to hold their attention for that 45 minutes, even though they have songs they're singing, and, you know, they're learning things, and they have crafts and activities that they're doing. Um, I can't imagine having to do that for actual school for an entire day for a whole year and, and actually getting as much out of it as you would under traditional circumstances. So I mean, if this is what it takes to get kids safely back in school, I don't have a problem with it.
21:06 Patrick
Well, I mean, one of the issues with online learning for me when I was in college was I couldn't interrupt the professor and be, you know, be that guy-
21:13 Chad
Which is really difficult for you, huh?
21:16 Patrick
... in class that always had... Re- really difficult for me.
21:17 Chad
You'd start mashing your keyboard.
21:18 Patrick
Yeah, it's very difficult. Uh, that is not correct. Um, but, uh, you know, look, I mean, it's, it's incredibly difficult to online learn. You know, we did it for three or four months, or two months, uh, at the end of last year, and it's just hard, especially with elementary-aged kids. It's incredibly tough. So yeah, I mean, kids need to be back in school. I just, I just think we have some ingenuity as Americans that we could do this and be successful at it, get our kids back in school, and get our economy back on track by doing some things that are responsible, but we've lost a little bit of that, um, like, that American spark to get that. I don't know if that's because a lot of manufacturing has moved overseas, and so we don't have the ability to get that moving like we used to.
22:02 Chad
I don't know.
22:02 Patrick
I mean, that's a big statement, but-
22:03 Chad
I mean, you saw lots of manufacturing shift to masks and g- hand cleaners and stuff like that when the demand required it, right?
22:10 Patrick
Correct.
22:10 Chad
Free flow of capital-
22:11 Patrick
Yeah
22:11 Chad
... is gonna move to the most efficient, the most efficient means or uses of it.
22:16 Patrick
Mm-hmm.
22:16 Chad
But I don't know. I, I think it's also difficult, too, we talked about, you know, polarization with the defunding the police. I think unfortunately, the response to and just the entire environment around COVID, um, is more political than is probably helpful. Um, and it's difficult to know what's true. I mean, I, I've asked you to watch Social Dilemma. Um, it's the new Netflix documentary, and we don't have to jump onto that. But it, it talks a lot a- about how, um, you know, the bubbles that we kinda create in our social media and the way that news travels through that, and different types of news travels through different groups of people. And so we're not all getting the same information, and we all have different, uh, sort of things that are prioritized from a news standpoint. And so it d- it does make it difficult to have sort of a cohesive response, whether that's through private action or through what y'all are doing in Parker County with, with, uh, you know, high levels of testing and, and things like that, but-
23:18 Patrick
Uh, you know, it's, it's, it's just an interesting topic, but to lighten the mood a little bit, national treasure, Mike Leach. Okay, so we just had a weekend where Mike Leach obviously has moved to the SEC-
23:32 Chad
Can you-
23:33 Patrick
... which is probably the-
23:33 Chad
For people who aren't avid college football fans, you wanna introduce who he even is?
23:39 Patrick
Okay, so Mike Leach is, uh, one of the pioneers of, of the, like, the air raid spread offense, right? Uh, he was a Texas Tech coach for a long time. There was a little controversy there. We won't dig into that. But, uh, he left Texas Tech and went to Washington State. Um, he was at Washington State for, uh, quite a long time, and then he was just hired this year, the best coaching hire of the year, at Mississippi State.
24:04 Chad
But-
24:04 Patrick
He's now a Bulldog
24:04 Chad
... so he was, like, the pioneer of air raid, but his, like, his coaching tree includes, like, Mike Gundy, um-
24:12 Patrick
Oh
24:12 Chad
... Kliff Kingsbury, uh, Lincoln Riley, right? Like, all of these people with prolific offenses-
24:18 Patrick
Mm-hmm
24:18 Chad
... like, those are all Mike's, Mike Leach descendants.
24:21 Patrick
Yeah, so and, and he is a, um-He's a goofball. Like, it... I mean, if, if you were to describe him, you would describe him as just goofy. Uh, he's just he's silly, he's goofy, he's got a very dry sense of humor and he just has a lot of fun with everybody. But they released a video the day after they beat LSU of a wagon with a band on it with Mike Leach in front of it leading the wagon. Okay? This thing was well-produced. It was put out, like, the next morning after the win over LSU. It was clear as day that Mike Leach had that video made before he beat LSU, right? Just in amazing Mike Leach fashion. The press conferences that he does at any school that he's ever been to, but esecial- especially at Mississippi State, the, the press conferences have just been... I, I mean they are, they're gold. Pure gold. Uh, and this week a New York Times reporter asked him why he was inconsistent in wearing his mask, right? And instead of answering the question, Mike Leach starts to ask the New York Times reporter about how he wears his mask and what type of mask he was wearing, as in the reporter. What type of mask was the reporter wearing during the game and also does he notice that after he wears his mask for a little while it starts to stink? And if you think about it, that's gotta be your bad breath. That's your bad breath that smells in that mask. Like where does that come from? He just... He rolls down that road, and I just, I just think in today's world Mike Leach brings us so much humility and humor and, and, and just, uh, you know, he, he brings a lot to the show. So your thoughts on Mike Leach there?
26:13 Chad
So, uh, it's important to note that his response was not antagonistic.
26:18 Patrick
Not at all.
26:18 Chad
So his response was, "I try to keep it up, but I talk a lot. I'm calling plays, it falls down. It's one of those neck wraps, right? So it doesn't stay up all the time, and sometimes I'll pull it down and forget. You know, I'm preoccupied."
26:30 Patrick
He calls it a neck sock, by the way.
26:32 Chad
A neck... Yes. And, and he was asking for advice, like, what do you do, Mr. Reporter, to keep-
26:38 Patrick
Uh-huh
26:38 Chad
... your mask up and, you know, g- how do you handle that? And it was, it was light-hearted and, and, yeah, it was... It's what you would expect from Mike Leach. Um, I, I do have a serious question for you though. Quick programming note: it is at this precise moment that our conversation totally derails into just razzing each other about college football. So if you don't care about college football or rivalries or things like that, feel free to turn it off. It's not gonna hurt our feelings. Otherwise, enjoy. Everyone probably at this point knows you are an Aggie fan, Texas A&M.
27:15 Patrick
Yes.
27:16 Chad
Struggle to get by Vandy this week.
27:20 Patrick
Uh, struggle's a hard word.
27:22 Chad
Did you have, like, s-
27:23 Patrick
I felt like we controlled-
27:23 Chad
... you had like 75 yards of offense in the first half, seven points
27:27 Patrick
... but I felt like we con- we controlled the entire game.
27:30 Chad
Okay. Uh, uh, uh-
27:32 Patrick
There was never a point in that game where I thought... I, there was never a point in that game like Texas had in their game where I thought, "Wow, we may lose this game." I never thought that. You clearly had those thoughts. I have the text messages to back them up.
27:45 Chad
Well, yeah, we were down by 15 with three minutes to go. It's kinda hard not to have those thoughts. But my question is, you have Alabama, then you have what? Florida?
27:57 Patrick
Uh, yeah.
27:57 Chad
Okay, so you're-
27:58 Patrick
I believe it's Florida
27:58 Chad
... you're gonna get trounced by Alabama this week. You're probably gonna get beat by Florida. Is that, is that at home or is that in Florida?
28:06 Patrick
I'm looking at it. We play Alabama this weekend.
28:11 Chad
In Tuscaloosa.
28:12 Patrick
In Tuscaloosa, then Florida comes to Texas A&M. They come to College Station. And then we're, uh, we see Mike Leach at Mississippi State-
28:20 Chad
Wow
28:20 Patrick
... on 10/17.
28:20 Chad
So my question is, do you think that you'll still view him as a national treasure after that game?
28:27 Patrick
I, I will. Look, uh, Mike Leach is just a... He, as a, as just a coach, a football coach, a guy, like, you wanna play for Mike Leach. I mean, come on.
28:38 Chad
Some people didn't.
28:39 Patrick
But the guy-
28:39 Chad
That's why he's not at Tech anymore.
28:42 Patrick
If you know the story at Tech, he apparently locked somebody in a closet. I, I feel like that's a stretch to say he locked somebody in a closet. But, um, they didn't feel good and he said, "You go sit in a closet," and they did. Uh, so but all that being said, yeah, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm not gonna like him on the day of, but I certainly am still gonna watch his press conferences like I do every week. They're amazing. But A&M's schedule, man, come on. Number two Alabama, number three Florida, number 16 Mississippi State.
29:12 Chad
Well, the problem that y'all have-
29:13 Patrick
That's-
29:13 Chad
... is that y'all have historically struggled against those Mississippi schools regardless of how good they actually are. Like, this is-
29:20 Patrick
That's correct, yeah
29:20 Chad
... your 10th year in the SEC? Elv- ninth year?
29:23 Patrick
This is our ninth year.
29:25 Chad
Might be the eighth year.
29:25 Patrick
Yeah, 'cause my bet was-
29:26 Chad
I think it's the eighth year 'cause our bet-
29:27 Patrick
Eighth year
29:27 Chad
... was last year and you lost that one, and then I lost it too.
29:30 Patrick
That's cor- I didn't... And you lost it too-
29:32 Chad
'Cause I doubled up with the last bet
29:33 Patrick
... because you went double or nothing on Texas.
29:34 Chad
Yeah. Uh, either way.
29:35 Patrick
Yeah.
29:37 Chad
Uh, so, so y'all have- ... already have a history of struggling with those Mississippi schools, but now you throw Mike Leach on there. It's gonna be a, it'll be a fun day I think for me. I don't like to talk trash before these games because I feel like there's gonna be something that comes back on me, but I feel pretty confident in saying that the next three weeks of your schedule is going to be kinda brutal.
29:58 Patrick
Oh, I think it's absolutely gonna be brutal. But what's exciting for me in the SEC with Mike Leach is, is that he's gonna win games, and he's gonna win some decisive games, like LSU. I'd be really worried if I was Alabama. I'd, I'd be very, very concerned if I'm Alabama.
30:12 Chad
Well, you look at-
30:13 Patrick
Uh-
30:13 Chad
So look at the history of that sort of spread offense in the SEC. When A&M-
30:20 Patrick
Mm-hmm
30:20 Chad
... first joined in 2012 or whatever, you had Johnny Football, you ran an up-tempo spread offense, you beat Alabama, he won the Heisman. Joe Burrow just destroyed the SEC last year.With a-
30:32 Patrick
Right
30:32 Chad
... sort of a spread up-tempo offense. And then in his first game, Mike Leach absolutely annihilates the single game passing record for the SEC.
30:42 Patrick
Yes.
30:43 Chad
Now-
30:43 Patrick
Yeah, game one
30:43 Chad
... his biggest problem is he doesn't have, he never has a defense. So-
30:47 Patrick
Mm-hmm
30:48 Chad
... can that hold up, you know, over... Maybe it can hold up over a short schedule this year.
30:53 Patrick
Well, I think the difference is he's in the SEC now, right? So he's going to be able to recruit great defensive players. He's going to be able to recruit a great defensive coach. So he's got a better chance at it in the SEC than he does, you know, say, in the Big 12 or in the Pac. No offense to the Texas 12 people, but y'all's recruitment has been a little lackluster lately. Chad, you have any comments? There's-
31:15 Chad
All I gotta say is that Texas has a pretty strong showing right now, representation in the NFL, which is, I think-
31:21 Patrick
They, I mean-
31:21 Chad
... is far superior to the way that we've recruited and developed. If you look at how we have recruited and developed over the past 10 years, I don't think that you would expect to see the caliber of players that we, that we have put into the NFL.
31:33 Patrick
Okay, I mean this from a football terminology standpoint, but for the last couple of years, really for the last, like, five years, Texas has been a soft football team.
31:41 Chad
Oh, yeah. Well, Charlie Strong was gonna-
31:43 Patrick
Yeah. I mean-
31:43 Chad
... put the T back in Texas.
31:48 Patrick
Well, and I mean, you got, you got Herman, who can barely swing a sledgehammer these days. So you know, look, at the end of the day, I think Texas has got some good talent, but man, they're just not... They just, like, there's no smash-mouth to anything they do on the football field. And to come out and have that performance against Texas Tech, even though they got the win, uh, because frankly, I, I, I'm gonna give some props to Texas. Y'all's quarterback is good.
32:09 Chad
Yeah, he's good. I'll say, not-
32:11 Patrick
I mean-
32:11 Chad
... not to, like, digress totally into college football, but the, the times when we actually do play strong, like, strong defense and solid football is when we play outside of, uh, the Big 12, like Georgia-
32:26 Patrick
Yeah
32:26 Chad
... uh, Utah last year in the bowl games. Now, Maryland excluded because we've had some issues with them in the last three years. But, uh-
32:34 Patrick
Mm-hmm
32:35 Chad
... you know, it's, I, I think there's something just different about playing inside the Big 12 with those teams and those types of offenses versus... I mean, and truthfully, uh, the SEC teams struggle with that kind of offense, too, so.
32:47 Patrick
They, they do. I mean, so, you know, it's just... Look, uh, I'm glad to get some normality back. College football being on television is a little bit normal. It's weird that I don't get to go to College Station, um, and see a game. You know, I think there's, like, 20,000 fans in the stand. You, to be fair, you guys generally attend at least one or two Texas games a year, quite a few Baylor games, right? 'Cause your wife is a Baylor alum.
33:11 Chad
Mm-hmm.
33:12 Patrick
Um, and so it, it is a little weird in the fall to, like, not go to a college football game, for me. If you're a Texan, it's kind of in the blood.
33:20 Chad
Yeah, absolutely.
33:21 Patrick
So I don't know. Yeah.
33:22 Chad
I'll, I'll, I'll just wrap this up, this part of the conversation up by saying everything about this season, it's great to have football back, but everything about this season is, I think, just gonna be so crazy that you can't put much stock into it. And the best option that we have is just to enjoy it, and don't take it too seriously. Kinda like Mike Leach.
33:44 Patrick
Kinda like Mike Leach. Uh, before we let everything go, I do need to make one mention. So Chad and I are... Obviously, this is a podcast, so you're just, you're just hearing us, but we're looking at each other on video 'cause we're not podcasting in the same room. I'm wearing an Astros shirt. This was not planned. He's wearing a Rangers shirt. How do you feel about your Rangers season there, Chad?
34:04 Chad
Um, I feel like it is, it's over. I'll say that.
34:08 Patrick
Uh, you're gonna get the, you're gonna get the number one draft pick though, right? Like, don't y'all have the first pick in the, uh, the draft next year?
34:14 Chad
We're gonna need more than one draft pick. I think what we need is a new GM.
34:19 Patrick
I, I would be on the fire John Daniels train in a heartbeat. I've been there for a couple of years. So, uh, it's weird for me. I'm an Astros fan 'cause I'm from Houston, but my kids love the Rangers, uh, because that's the team we can go watch, uh, when in, in non-COVID years. So, uh, one last question before we get off. How in the world after that performance against Texas Tech is Texas still ranked number nine? 20 minutes in.
34:40 Chad
Uh, well, you had Oklahoma, which, can I just say, I, I don't wanna offend any listeners, but I am a Longhorn through and through my entire life. I was born, I was raised in Austin, so I have been a Longhorn fan my entire life. My five-year-old refers to Oklahoma as OU sucks. That is their name to him. So no offense. It's all in good fun. It's just a rivalry. Uh, but, uh, how... So you had a lot of upsets this week. Oka- Oklahoma lost to Kansas State.
35:14 Patrick
You, you did have a l- you had a lot of-
35:16 Chad
Uh, LSU lost to Mississippi State, so we actually dropped from eight to nine.
35:20 Patrick
So would you admit that there is a little bias towards the Longhorns?
35:25 Chad
What's A&M still ranked?
35:26 Patrick
Like, if they... A&M's still ranked.
35:28 Chad
No, what did you drop to?
35:29 Patrick
I think we're-
35:30 Chad
'Cause you were 10.
35:31 Patrick
I think we're 16th. I think we're 16. Hold on. Let me look. No, we're 13. So we dropped, and you guys went from where to where?
35:38 Chad
Eight to nine, or nine to 10.
35:40 Patrick
Eight to nine.
35:41 Chad
You went from 10 to 16?
35:42 Patrick
10 to 16. Yeah, you moved up. You went from 10 to nine.
35:46 Chad
No, we dropped.
35:47 Patrick
Okay. So I, I'm just saying.
35:49 Chad
I, I-
35:50 Patrick
Come on. It was Texas Tech. They almost lost-
35:52 Chad
Yeah, but-
35:52 Patrick
... to Houston Baptist-
35:53 Chad
... but let's just say that-
35:54 Patrick
... the week before
35:54 Chad
... let's just stipulate, though, that there's a lot of bias in those preseason polls anyway. Like, look at everything that LSU lost, their defensive coordinator. Um, they lost their passing game coordinator, right? Joe Brady was, he, he left, didn't he?
36:08 Patrick
Correct. Yeah, he's gone.
36:08 Chad
They lost their Heisman quarterback. They lost, like, 18 starters, and they were still ranked top five going into the season. Anyone who thought that LSU was gonna be the exact same team that they were last year was crazy. But they still had a high rank.
36:22 Patrick
That's the Ed O. mania, right? Like, LSU fans just believe in Ed.
36:26 Chad
He's one of them.
36:27 Patrick
It's, you know, it's, he's one of them. It's just the Kool-Aid they drink every day. So, uh, one of my favorite, um, uh, memes of the week last week was the fight between Ed O. and the closed captioning system- ... at his news conferences. That was really funny. It came across my feed. So anyways, guys, well, hey, we appreciate you tuning in to ZacCast this week. Uh, glad we could kinda do a lightning round, talk about a few topics, and, uh, get our thoughts out there. Chad, I appreciate it, man. Thanks for taking the time to hang out with me.
36:59 Chad
Absolutely. Hey, before we let you go, we referenced it in the episode here, but, uh, if you are not subscribed to the Zach Tax Roundup, it's our new newsletter. It's open to anyone. You do not have to be a user of Zach Tax. Uh, check the show notes. Uh, we just published, I think yesterday, the September issue on storytelling and how you can use storytelling to improve your management, improve your, your culture development in your organization. Um, had a lot of good responses to that, to that, uh, issue. So definitely if you're interested in all things local government, we don't just talk about sales tax, kinda like this podcast. We use it for, like, a long form, um, getting ideas out of our head. So if that kinda stuff interests you, then absolutely take a look at it. And, uh, good talking to you, Pat.
37:44 Patrick
Good talking, guys. We'll see you next time.