Happy Texas Independence (from masks) Day!

Transcript

0:10 Patrick
Hey, guys. Welcome to Zach Tax. Uh, we've got a quick one.
0:14 Chad
No, no.
0:14 Patrick
Oh, gosh. My bad.
0:18 Chad
No, just go. I'm keeping it in. There's no clapping.
0:20 Patrick
Hey.
0:22 Chad
Go. Start over.
0:23 Patrick
Hey, welcome to ZacCast.
0:26 Chad
Okay, for real. Go.
0:28 Patrick
All right. Hey, welcome to ZacCast. This is Patrick. I'm with Chad. This is a bit of an emergency episode. We're ready for this?
0:36 Chad
Yeah.
0:36 Patrick
Right?
0:36 Chad
This is the we can't go anywhere soon episode.
0:43 Patrick
So, uh, as you know, when you are a Texas governor and you are under fire, uh, for your handling of people being without power for four to five days, what do you do? You lift the mask mandate.
0:56 Chad
You lift all of the restrictions from COVID. Poof.
0:58 Patrick
All, all, all COVID restrictions have been lifted in Texas.
1:01 Chad
We're gonna be back to normal in eight days, Patrick.
1:04 Patrick
So we wanted an immediate reaction.
1:04 Chad
Like nothing ever happened. It's gonna be wonderful.
1:08 Patrick
G- Correct, but we wanted an immediate reaction from, from Chad and, and from me, so we've really done nothing except, like, send a, a meme. I sent a meme to you. That's really ... That's the only reaction you've gotten from me so far. So Chad, what are your thoughts, man?
1:27 Chad
I just ... Why? I mean, we, we've gone through a year now of closures of one form or another, of masking, of, you know, all of this. Like, we've dealt with this for a year, and now here we are, we have vaccines, we're doing two million a day. We just got Johnson & Johnson. I mean, we are right at the precipice. Why are you gonna lift, why are you gonna lift the mask mandate?
1:55 Patrick
So I'm gonna surprise you here.
1:56 Chad
Here's what I don't understand. You wanna open everything up 100%. Okay, we can talk about that. But how do you do that while also lifting the mask mandate?
2:06 Patrick
L- I, I'm gonna surprise you here in a minute, 'cause look, I, I, I have always said that Governor Abbott is, like, the master magician. Uh, like the man behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz basically, right? When it comes to politics. This is a standard Governor Abbott move. Bad things happening in Austin, people on all aisles upset, hearings, just ugliness going on, and Abbott comes out with a bread and butter, make his base happy, get excited, I'm lifting the mask mandate, getting rid of all my executive orders. Which he was already under fire for a lot of them anyways. And that ... I mean, that's just what's to be expected, right? I mean, it, it ... W- why would we have expected anything else? He came out last week and floated the idea that he was thinking about getting rid of masking, uh, in standard Abbott form, and then he came back and, and, and got rid of it. So I- I'm not, I'm not surprised by it, but this goes back to the same thing that we wrote in the roundup this month. That ... You know, the roundup literally just went out, right? And, and I ... Y- look, bear with me. A- and I am not playing devil's advocate. This is my honest and actual opinion. In all aspects of COVID, we have failed to be honest with people, right?
3:17 Chad
Mm-hmm.
3:17 Patrick
We have failed to be honest with people to tell them what the actual science is, what, whether masks work or masks don't work. We've confused the life out of people. Um, you know, vaccines, no vaccines. I mean, you get things differently every day, all the time. And the government sometimes has taken positions, both at the national and state level, that were not fully disclosed why they were taking that position. I would say that we are in a state right now in our country that we possibly know more about COVID and how to protect Americans than we share with Americans. And I'm not saying we should be lifting mask mandates and we should just be tearing off the Band-Aid, but I ha- I am saying that we should have started to peel the Band-Aid back as if we're peeling it off a four-year-old kid who can't take it all at once. And, and we, we haven't done that. And we should be doing that, because vaccines are available, treatments are available, mental health is a major issue, and we're not being honest with the public, and we need to be honest. And, and look, I'm the first one to say, had COVID, COVID's real. 100%, right? But I, I feel like we're at a point where the government should start talking about how to get back to normal. And instead, we're coming out with new stories over and over again about how normal is next summer, and then wait, normal's in 2022. And maybe normal is all the way through 2022. At what point does it stop? That's my thought.
4:55 Chad
Okay, so you can see me, like, squirming in my chair, just waiting for you to ask.
4:57 Patrick
Uh, you're squirming and squirming.
4:58 Chad
Which I was trying to-
4:59 Patrick
So yeah
4:59 Chad
... to give you the, the opportunity.
5:00 Patrick
Nice. Yeah.
5:01 Chad
Okay, so I don't disagree with a lot of what you have to say.
5:04 Patrick
Mm-hmm.
5:05 Chad
The problem is, just like in other aspects of Texas politics, we opt for the most extreme response to something, okay? Oh, we don't like these, uh, these big cities doing big government things. Well, we're gonna use the state to crack down on that, right?
5:22 Patrick
Mm-hmm.
5:22 Chad
We're gonna use big government to stop big government. We don't like these masking mandates. Uh, we don't like things being closed. So now here we are, so close. We've already gone through this. We've had mask mandates. We had full closures for, like, six weeks last year, right? The state of Texas has already implemented some of these things. So it's not like, not like we're asking for something new. All I'm saying is, being so close, we're gonna do two things that are contradictory. We're gonna fully reopen, which I don't necessarily have a problem with that, anywhere near as much as I do about at the same time saying you don't have to wear masks anymore.
6:06 Patrick
Well, let's just-
6:07 Chad
Those two, those two things don't mesh together. What we should have done in the first place is had less restrictive closures and mask mandates. If we were going to do that-
6:18 Patrick
I, I, I, I-
6:18 Chad
... that's what we should have done, and we should have-
6:20 Patrick
I, I would, I would agree
6:21 Chad
... from the beginning
6:22 Patrick
But the federal government, the professionals in the federal government, not the politicians, the professionals in the federal government came out very early and said masking is not necessary, because they were afraid that there was gonna be a rush on masks. Instead of just telling people, "You're gonna need masks"-
6:35 Chad
Well, you know how you fix that is you allow prices to fluctuate based on demand. But instead-
6:39 Patrick
Oh, okay
6:39 Chad
... what we would do is we would say, "Oh, you can't price gouge," and then no- ... then no one can get 'em. Okay? So let's let the market work. But you also... It just doesn't make any sense to have this contradictory approach to it, right? And, and there's something in the psyche of, uh, Texans in particular, but Americans generally, that, um, we have a very strong, independent, personal freedom mindset, which is great in many cases, right? It sparks all kinds of innovation and dynamism and yada, yada.
7:09 Patrick
Mm-hmm.
7:10 Chad
But in the case of mask-wearing, the mask is not actually for your benefit as much as it is for everyone else's benefit, right? So there's a quote that he says here, you know, "This, removing these state mandates does not end personal responsibility in caring for your family members." But if he, if he's never been to a Buc-ee's, he's never been to the gas station down the street. When, when the ice storm hit, everyone just decided that that was enough to deal with and they were, they were gonna forget about the COVID. Everyone was in the gas station without masks, masks on.
7:42 Patrick
Can, can, can we explain why Buc-ee's was open? Because Buc-ee's has, like, a big gen- backup generator system and they're always open.
7:47 Chad
Oh, I'm talking generally.
7:49 Patrick
Oh, okay, yeah.
7:49 Chad
Every... So there's a Buc-ee's just, like, 15 minutes from my house, and my-
7:52 Patrick
I-
7:52 Chad
... parents love, they just are in love with Buc-ee's. So every time we meet them with the kids or whatever, we have to go to Buc-ee's. And I'll go in and get a drink or use the nice clean bathrooms, but no one in there is wearing a mask.
8:04 Patrick
It's a halfway decent barbecue sandwich.
8:05 Chad
It's-
8:06 Patrick
Can we say that?
8:07 Chad
All I'm saying is Governor Abbott thinks that, quote- ... "We have mastered the daily habits to avoid getting COVID," unquote. He has never been to a Buc-ee's. Or like-
8:15 Patrick
Yeah, look, I, I... Yeah. I, I don't, I don't disagree with any of that. I, I, I do not. But I would say, where was individual responsibility in the governor's first order when he shut down all businesses across the state with no knowledge, no idea of what he should be doing? He just unilaterally decided he was gonna shut everything down. He didn't follow a pandemic plan. He didn't trust the experts.
8:39 Chad
So-
8:39 Patrick
Everybody just freaked out-
8:41 Chad
So this is what we do then
8:42 Patrick
... and we shut it down.
8:43 Chad
We just go from one extreme to the other.
8:45 Patrick
Correct.
8:45 Chad
Right?
8:46 Patrick
Absolutely.
8:46 Chad
That's not healthy. That's not good policy. We have to have- We have to have a measured, incremental approach, right- ... to all of this stuff. Like, that philosophy applies not just to development patterns and, and things like that. It also applies to, like, public health policy. Let's be measured. Let's, let's take smaller steps using what we learn over time, and one thing that we have learned is that the masks actually do help. So if we're going to start reopening, let's continue to encourage the mask-wearing.
9:20 Patrick
Look, I, I, I don't, I don't disagree with that. I, I'm, I'm-
9:23 Chad
'Cause now I can't... I'm not gonna go anywhere.
9:25 Patrick
I'm one of those few people-
9:26 Chad
So everything is reopening and, and I'm not gonna go anywhere 'cause nobody else gives a crap about wearing a mask and protecting other people.
9:35 Patrick
Well, let's be fair, Chad. You don't go anywhere anyways.
9:37 Chad
I go places.
9:39 Patrick
Occasionally.
9:39 Chad
But not now.
9:43 Patrick
So I mean, look, I'm one of those people that have both had COVID, and I've been vaccinated 'cause I'm over a 30 BMI. I, I'm a chubby guy.
9:50 Chad
Mm.
9:51 Patrick
Hey, minus my Peloton bike, by the way. Have you gotten your ride in today?
9:54 Chad
Uh, not today. I had some-
9:55 Patrick
Okay
9:56 Chad
... household chores to do.
9:58 Patrick
See, I'm, I'm Chad's accountability buddy. My skinny friend Chad on the other end of this call forgets his Peloton ride. But all that being said, uh, you know, look, I, I was, I was in this, like, this weird place where I really wore a mask not for my protection, but for other people's protection, which is, you know, I respect other people, and so I wear a mask to keep other people safe. At this point in my life, I'm not keeping myself safe, so you know, I, I just... I don't know. I'm not, I'm not as concerned. But I think at the end of the day, we were gonna get here anyways. I just, for me, it has a lot more to do with the fact that we're getting here after we just finished up hearings over the failures of ERCOT and the electricity grid.
10:40 Chad
Yes, of course. That's why this is happening right now.
10:42 Patrick
Yeah, correct. This is happening right now because people in Texas, they, they tend to go to the, the populous story, and this is it. I mean, he, he is a master at this, and I guess we're just-
10:56 Chad
Yes
10:56 Patrick
... are we sheep in this equation?
10:57 Chad
A very large chunk of his base is gonna completely forget about the disaster that occurred two weeks ago-
11:03 Patrick
Until they don't have to wear masks
11:04 Chad
... because they don't have to wear masks anymore. And look, I'm all for personal responsibility, and I'm for smaller, intelligent, and respectful government. I'm not saying that I was-
11:18 Patrick
Yeah
11:18 Chad
... in favor of the draconian shutdowns. But at this stage of the game when we've gone through what we've gone through, I just don't... It's just a contradictory response to, to really no stimulus. Outside of the ice storm, like, there is nothing that's actually happened in the past month or two on COVID that would get us to the point where we could say we could totally reopen and also get rid of the mask mandate. So if those are already on the books, then l- what has really changed? Yes, cases have started to drop as vaccines have become more prominent, but cases over the past week or so have started to stabilize and/or pick back up. So-
11:57 Patrick
Stabilize in Texas
11:58 Chad
... so, yeah, so-
11:59 Patrick
We're, we're just below 9% in positivity rates, which is the number that is pretty much looked at by the task force.
12:05 Chad
Yeah, but n- nothing has really changed to the point where objectively speaking we would say it now is the right time for us to, to basically... go back to how it was 13 months ago
12:18 Patrick
I, I, I mean I, I don't disagree. I, I just I, I just think why are we surprised? That's the thing that, that I threw out here. Why are we surprised that Abbott goes down this route? He was in trouble with his base, he needed this, this was his, you know, this was his spade, right? This was the ace of spades. He needed to throw it in order to make it happen. And that's what he did. And, and the question is does that mean he's tapped out at this point? Like, what else can he do at this point, right? Case counts go up, you know, uh, you know, does, does it change? And, and I think the reality is, Chad, is we have enough people in the state of Texas who've probably had COVID and have been vaccinated, and, and like I've said to people, if you're in a high risk class and you have the ability to get vaccinated, do it. Uh, that's a personal choice that, that people get to make. It's also a personal choice to go buy an N-95 mask off Amazon. They're available now. You can buy them and have them shipped to your house. And those masks do protect the individual. Uh, b- but-
13:17 Chad
Like-
13:17 Patrick
... I mean, look, I, I'm not-
13:19 Chad
I don't like being in the position-
13:20 Patrick
I'm not trying to justify... You don't like being in the position you're in.
13:23 Chad
I don't like being in the position of taking the stance that I'm taking, which is- ... that we should continue basically, uh, the government telling us, you know, what to do. But we're already... Like, that's the status quo, right? We've already-
13:38 Patrick
Yeah
13:38 Chad
... accepted that this is the world that we're gonna live in temporarily. So that being the case, is this the right time to decide that that's no longer needed? And I just don't think that there's any reason for it right now other than a deflection of other issues going on in the state right now.
13:56 Patrick
B- but what else was Abbott gonna do? His PUC chairwoman resigned yesterday. You know, all of the out of state ERCOT board members, which i- riddle me this, why do we have board members out of state, living in other countries? Uh, who knows. But I, I just, at the end of the day, what else was he gonna do? He-
14:15 Chad
Nothing
14:15 Patrick
... floated the idea last week. He got a little traction with it. He polled it. That's w- exactly what he did is he polled it. Like any other political animal, Abbott comes out here and does exactly what he does. And, and I just don't know why we're surprised. Now here's the question. Let's talk about the difficulty for local governments at this point. Local governments are in the position now-
14:35 Chad
That's a good segue by the way to make this relevant for our listeners.
14:40 Patrick
Without getting too political, right? But local governments are now in the position, and, and I, I actually wanna focus on school districts, which is not really a realm that we work in. School districts are in a position to now have to make a decision whether their students are going to mask within schools or not. He didn't address that at all in his order. There's been no guidance that came down from TEA. I'm sure there are gonna be students that show up to school tomorrow without a mask on, and obviously this order's not even supposed to take effect till Wednesday the 10th of March. But all these localities are now gonna have to deal with the consequences of these decisions. And I have always said, "My kid doesn't wear a mask in school because I'm afraid my kid's gonna get COVID." I wanna be really clear. My kid wears a mask in school 'cause I'm afraid he's gonna give COVID to his teacher. His to- teacher's gonna fall ill, and it's gonna be detrimental to that individual. That has always been my concern of my kid going to in person school. Um, and, and, and, and that's the situation we're in now where i- am I gonna send my kid to school with a mask on? Uh, and, and the answer is, is, you know, probably yes. I don't know. But yeah, probably yes. And what are other parents going to do? And I can guarantee you in the community that I live in you're gonna have 40% of the kids-ish that don't wear a mask to school. And I, the school district based on this order is not allowed to implement any type of mask mandate, nor is the county or the city unless it exceeds the hospital capacity limits of 15%. And I think what Abbott looks at is, and I, I mean I'm, I'm guessing, but I think what, what's going on with the state is, is we now have enough therapies and other things that are in place that we get somebody in the hospital, we give them therapies, we get them out of the hospital. It's a survivable event somewhat. That's with air quotes, right? And, and that's the issue. The problem is, is that real people get sick from COVID and real people die from COVID. It's the political argument that I've made all day long to anybody that will listen to me, which is you cannot go around and act like it's not a real thing because somebody's grandma or somebody's grandpa got it, had it, and were impacted by it. So, and we're gonna have that same issue in schools. And that scares me a little bit, 'cause I really respect the people that teach my children.
16:55 Chad
Yeah. And I respect teachers who are actually there in classes and-
17:01 Patrick
Mm-hmm
17:01 Chad
... are taking that risk and who realize that our kids are having a really rough time right now, especially those that are not physically in school. Like, they're not learning anywhere near, uh, you know, what they, what you would normally expect, because that environment is not conducive to learning. Zoom classes... I mean, uh, there's a, uh... I just sent you this last night, uh, the-
17:25 Patrick
So I list- I listened to it this morning, so we can chat about it real quick if you wanna dig into that. Yeah.
17:29 Chad
Okay. So the New York Times daily podcast is starting a four part series on the school district in Odessa, our good friends out in Odessa. Star Baker this past month in sales tax game day. Uh, and they have kids that are opting for virtual school who for a variety of reasons, including the fact that the oil market has not been very good, are actually having to work during the day. So they have their phones out with Zoom turned on and earbuds in their ears while they're making smoothies at the mall. How are you-
18:02 Patrick
Mm
18:02 Chad
... supposed to learn anything in that environment? They're just doing it so that they... 'Cause they have to be in that posit- the position, right? Unfortunately, that's-
18:09 Patrick
Mm-hmm
18:09 Chad
... the situation that they're in, and they don't wanna be counted absent, so they're logging in. But they can't listen to the lectureIf they could get anything out of it anyway, which having taken plenty of online classes I could tell you it's very difficult as someone who at the time was taking classes that I was really interested in, and in that scenario it was still difficult to learn versus in-person, you know, coursework. Um, but to be in a position where you're, you know, a high school senior and you've got senioritis setting in and you're about to graduate, and then you're also working while you're, quote-unquote, in class, I mean, th- this is just not an environment that is suitable for actual learning. And so the teachers who want to be there and who are making every effort and taking that risk because they understand that what our kids need is to have normal schooling, normal schooling, normal human interactions with their friends, things like that, I 100% am with you in terms of my respect for them.
19:07 Patrick
Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day, talking about this Odessa series, you know, we've only listened to part one of four, right? And, um, it's, it's clear, you know, the superintendent, I've heard this from other superintendents, uh, that I know here locally as well, uh, in the Fort Worth area, that, you know, online learning really is not beneficial for a large segment of the population. I, I have been told by some superintendents that there is a small population, maybe 2 to 3%, uh, of their population that does actually do decently well in online learning and, and maybe we should have like this fundamental shift within our education system to allow for that. I've, I've heard that. But most of the time the comment has been the kids don't learn at the level they do while they're in class. They don't turn in work. Um, you know, they're really just there because if you're in person, you get, you know, credit for classes is the way that a lot of these systems are structured. I, I would say that it's crazy to me. We took some steps in Texas and I, and I, I believe that people that are in the classroom, and let me be clear, my wife is, is one of them, she's a high school principal, they are heroes in the state of Texas. They have, they have done something, and I don't think we will ever truly know what the impact of that is. But we, we do know that our kids weren't learning at home, that they had major mental health issues, that we were seeing, you know, basically fissures in our society because we didn't have this normality with our kids. And teachers that have stepped up and gone to school and taught our children in the classroom ha- have, have just done an enormous service to the state of Texas. They are not babysitters. Uh, they are nurturing and feeding the young minds of tomorrow, and we, and I personally appreciate that, that my kids are there. It's the things that we fight on the edges in education that get me. We don't understand how important education is until we don't have it. Uh, and then when we do have it, we fight about things on what we have to do in order for them to have it successfully. And, and I'm, I'm kind of blabbering on, but I'm coming back to the fact of as Americans, the least we can do, or as Texans, the least we can do, is be supportive of the things that allow our teachers to be safe in the classroom. If that means my eight-year-old son, who does not care about wearing a mask, in fact, when I, when he, when I pick him up from school at the end of the day, he has his mask on. The, the kid doesn't even know he's wearing his mask. If that keeps his teacher safe and she's stepping up to do that for, for our state, then hey, it is what it is. Um, and, and I'm willing to do that as a parent. So... Hold on, please.
22:00 Chad
Speaking of which-
22:01 Patrick
My kids are at home. Speaking of which... I'm excited that our kids are back in school. I think that's important. Uh, you know, and, and this is totally off-base for this podcast, I think, but my comment to you on this Odessa podcast is I don't really know where they're going with it. Like, I, I can see the foreshadowing of the kids on the bus and, you know, somebody's gonna get it, bus driver's gonna die, who knows, or somebody's grandmother's gonna die. Like, I, I see all those connections, right? I see that's where they're, where they're going. But I... There's such a interesting liberal perspective on that podcast, and I'm gonna be interested to see where it goes.
22:42 Chad
Well, I'll say two things. One, the c- the young student that they kind of followed where she was, she was the one working at the smoothie shop.
22:51 Patrick
Correct, yeah. Making the wrong smoothies.
22:54 Chad
I got nerded out excited when she said that the one thing that she loves about school was band.
23:01 Patrick
Ah.
23:01 Chad
But, uh, um, but I, I will say that one thing I was surprised at is so far it seems relatively fair about the impacts on both sides. Like we wrote about this in the, in the summary of our newsletter this week. In life, there are really no such things as solutions. There are just trade-offs. They have pros, they have cons, right? There are pros and cons to opening schools. There are pros and cons to reopening Texas. There's, there's never gonna be a solution that's going to be long-lasting forever, they, that doesn't have any side effects, right?
23:38 Patrick
Yeah. Of course.
23:38 Chad
So our schools are open because in-person learning is better. The con with that is the potential for teachers and staff to contract coronavirus. The pro with having only virtual school is that that likelihood is significantly less, but the con is that the quality of the education and our children's mental health is suffering greatly. And I think that they did at least in the introduction of it, they do seem to be acknowledging that, that there is a pretty big con to not having in-person school in terms of the actual-
24:14 Patrick
Well-
24:14 Chad
... education and mental health of our children.
24:16 Patrick
I had a cousin in the northeast who's a teacher in Maryland, and they're not in schoolAnd she sent me like an online petition to sign that basically states they shouldn't go back to school 'cause it's unsafe, and I just kindly sent her back a message and I said, "Hey, I love you, but we've been in school in Texas since August and September." I, I just think there's such a fear factor there, right? Um, and, and I don't like that Texas is the Petri dish. I don't like it that we're the Petri dish when it comes to education. I don't like that we're gonna be the Petri dish when it comes to whether the mask mandate worked or didn't work, 'cause we're gonna find that out pretty quickly, right? I mean, I... Just go ahead and count 14 to 21 days from March 10th, and we're gonna know-
25:01 Chad
Yeah
25:01 Patrick
... pretty quickly whether we have a-
25:01 Chad
By April 1st, if you have... Just, you should start to see-
25:05 Patrick
You should have a pretty good idea
25:06 Chad
... if, if it really has an impact.
25:07 Patrick
Correct. And so, you know, I, I think, look, that's, that's gonna be interesting, and, and I, a- and, and we'll see where the state of Texas goes from there. The governor in his speech was very different from what he actually wrote in his order. I also wanna state that. You know, his order talks about individual responsibility and things like that, just like his speech does, but his order also has very clear guidelines on that businesses can still enforce a mask mandate, right?
25:37 Chad
Well, I would hope so-
25:38 Patrick
There's no difference in-
25:39 Chad
... since, since it's private property
25:40 Patrick
... price. Since it's private property. And the argument that's gonna come down to-
25:44 Chad
But you know what's gonna happen
25:45 Patrick
... it's gonna come at a-
25:46 Chad
You know what's gonna happen is that they're, without the teeth of the state doing it or the county or whatever, you know, jurisdiction-
25:52 Patrick
Well, there, there was no teeth, there was no teeth in any order that we have now
25:53 Chad
... Well, I understand, I understand that no one is getting arrested for not wearing a mask, and I'm not suggesting that people should be arrested-
25:59 Patrick
Yeah
25:59 Chad
... for not wearing a mask. But, uh, you know, you go to a Target and there's a big sign at the front door that says, you know, "This, uh, you're required to wear a mask in this location." It's one thing when that, when... As someone who doesn't want to wear a mask, right, if you're going to one of these locations without a mask and no intention to wear one, it's one thing to just see that sign and think, "Oh, well, Target just wants me to wear a mask." It's another thing if you know that there's a state mandate that says that you're supposed to. So-
26:26 Patrick
I, I will-
26:27 Chad
Like, the, the... 'Cause at that point we're asking team members at Target to be the ones enforcing reasonable behavior in a pandemic, right? And that, that's just not fair
26:38 Patrick
... Under, this is going to make my twice a week people watching even more interesting, and let me explain that. I go to Chipotle two to three times a week, mainly because the cauliflower rice is really good and I eat a lot of protein at lunch, and that's been my big health kick to get my BMI down. But the Chipotle that I go to is a clash of cultures, and I'm not gonna name the town or where it's at. But where I go, you, you see the mix of I will never wear a mask and the individual who is going to argue with the person that doesn't wear the mask, right? And this, this Chipotle about two weeks ago decided that they were going to enforce their mask mandate. If you do not wear a mask, you cannot go inside the Chipotle. They have online ordering now where you can get delivery to the car, and they basically tell you, "You have to wear a mask inside Chipotle, and if you don't, you can order through the app and we'll deliver it to your car outside," right? That's, that's how it goes. So for the last two weeks, I have sat there twice a week inside Chipotle eating my tacos or, you know, eating my bowl, and it has been amazing to watch the clash. A Chipotle employee walks over and says, "Ma'am or sir, you don't have your mask on. We require you to wear a mask." "I'm not gonna wear a mask. There's nothing that says I have to. It's not the law." And this is going to encourage that conversation even more, which going, i- is going to make my people watching even that much more interesting, 'cause I don't think Chipotle's gonna change their policy on masks anytime soon.
28:10 Chad
Yeah.
28:11 Patrick
So that is-
28:11 Chad
Right, but that's, I mean, that's their right, right? If, like-
28:13 Patrick
That's their right
28:14 Chad
... we have smoking bans in restaurants, but before smoking bans took effect, you had plenty of restaurants who didn't want to allow smoking.
28:20 Patrick
Oh, I mean, that happened in Hudson Oaks, remember? I mean, we, we legally by law could not put in place smoking bans throughout the city, which, you know, we had some members of council and staff who felt like smoking bans were an overreach, and I, I respected that. But, uh, what ended up happening is, is as the city started to redevelopment, redevelop and those restaurants started building new facilities, those restaurant owners did not want smoking because it, you know, people didn't wanna go to a restaurant that had smoking, period. There were more people that didn't wanna go versus that went there. So the market is gonna drive some of this, right? Just like Crunchy Chipotle is probably going to have a mask mandate, and I'm gonna stand in line twice a week with my mask on to get my cauliflower rice.
29:00 Chad
Do you wear a mask at the drive-through?
29:02 Patrick
No, I do not. That's a really good question.
29:03 Chad
So-
29:03 Patrick
Do you?
29:04 Chad
I put my mask on when I get to the window, even though for the most part I'm far enough away and the interactions are very short. But just out of respect for the fact that they're having to interact with people, and I sit in my office all day by myself, you know? I just-
29:19 Patrick
So this is a fun light, this is a fun lightning round question. Do your kids wear a mask when you go to a restaurant?
29:24 Chad
Uh, we, we have not actually been to a restaurant to s- we've probably been to an actual sit-down restaurant inside the restaurant maybe four or five times. Now we order a lot to go. Um-
29:39 Patrick
Okay
29:39 Chad
... but, you know, we also had a newborn at the beginning of the pandemic, and even though we alwa- you know, we have traditionally visited restaurants with young children, it was just a lot more effort with the masks and with a newborn, and having three at the time, and, you know, of course we're gonna have four soon. So, um, those, those dynamics are just changing as our family grows. Um, but when we, when we have gone to restaurants, we try to eat outside so we're a little bit further away from people. Um, but my oldest will wear one. My youngest, she was less than two, so she's not required to wear one. And then obviously our infant's not gonna wear one. But, but yeah, I mean, when we go to the store, my two, uh, older ones will, will wear masks.
30:22 Patrick
Interesting. Okay. Do you wear a mask outdoors at a park?
30:25 Chad
No, especially if I'm not around someone.
30:28 Patrick
Okay.
30:28 Chad
The mask is a tool, right? It's not a virtue signal.Like the, the, the, the purpose of it-
30:34 Patrick
Her virtue's safe
30:34 Chad
... the purpose of it is to protect people around you. So if you're not around anyone, especially outside where the risk of infection is significantly lessened, then no, it's not, I'm not... I'm not like worried about people who are jogging not wearing a mask. That doesn't bother me.
30:49 Patrick
So no, I don't wear a mask in a drive-through. My kids do wear a mask to the restaurant. We go to restaurants three to four times a week at least. Um, I wear a mask anytime I walk in somewhere. I don't wear a mask when the waiter's asking me for my order, uh, which I've always found a little weird. Like, I just take my mask off when I get to the table. Um, I, I don't know. There's, there's... I'm just trying to think through, like, how has COVID changed... I've really as a family tried to keep our normal schedule.
31:17 Chad
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
31:18 Patrick
Granted, my whole family's had COVID too, so.
31:20 Chad
Yeah. We, I mean, we have, we have kept some of it. Um, we used to do music class at TCU on the weekends, and that went to virtual last spring. Um, we got to the point over the summer where the kids just weren't able to, to do it. There's just so many-
31:33 Patrick
Mm-hmm
31:34 Chad
... distractions, you know, on Zoom call in your living room. So we looked for other things. Uh, we did baseball in the fall. I wore a mask as the coach. The kids didn't have to. Um, my daughter goes to, uh, like gym class on Saturdays, and the kids don't have to wear masks, but every- everyone else does. So we, we have tried to keep things as similar as possible. Um, the travel-
31:56 Patrick
Mm-hmm
31:56 Chad
... and the restaurants are the two things that we just, that we haven't done as, as frequently as we used to.
32:01 Patrick
Interesting. I mean, we, we kinda live in, in two different worlds, but I think that has more to do with the kids' ages-
32:06 Chad
Yeah, my kids are a lot younger
32:07 Patrick
... than anything. Yeah, your kids are a lot younger, and, and I think that probably has more to do with it, so.
32:12 Chad
But all I'd say, just, just to wrap up, the main thing that I wanted to just kind of get out and why I asked you to do this is I just don't understand, outside of politics, I don't understand what has changed in the past month or so to get us to the point where the governor would just get rid of the mask mandates that we have had, right? To change the status quo, where we are with the vaccines and the, like the growing number of people who have been vaccinated and/or have had COVID. We're just, we're just right there. I know that we started this with like a two-week, two-week shutdown to bend the curve or whatever, and that's turned into a much longer ordeal, and it's gotten a lot worse than anyone hoped that it would be. I'm sure some people expected that it would be this bad, but I mean, we were talking about 200 death- 200,000 deaths as being like a catastrophic worst case scenario, and we're two and a half times that. It's tough. Like again, there, there are no good answers. My only point is that given everything that we have been through in the past year, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to change course today. I don't know when the right time is. I just don't see anything that has changed structurally or in the data that says, "Okay, now is a great time to get rid of ev- all these restrictions." And if you're going to get rid of the restrictions on occupancy and things like that, it makes sense to retain the restrictions on wearing masks, at least for the time being.
33:38 Patrick
Valid comments. My comment would be we were eventually gonna get to this place, and it was not gonna be 2022 when we got there, right? I, I believe... I, I've, I have said privately to friends that when the vaccine is available to everybody, right, which is probably a couple of months away, it's probably April or May, that at that point I believe it becomes an individual choice across the board. We have told people, "This is, this is your life raft. This is your safety. You can go get a vaccine," and, and that's when we should lift mask mandates. I think that was the responsible thing to do, just gonna be clear. But to take a quote from one of your favorite movies, if you're not first, you're last. And that's Texas in a nutshell.
34:25 Chad
All right, man. Well, go to baseball practice.
34:27 Patrick
Yep.
34:27 Chad
Let's do the same.
34:27 Patrick
Got baseball practice. Appreciate it. You can hear my kids in the background. Thanks for joining us. I know that was a quick reactionary episode. We'll see how much actually makes the cut when Chad's done. See y'all later.
34:54 Chad
Bye.
March 3rd, 2021
Updated Oct 27, 2025
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